Comments on: Digital Thingy-ness: Putting Materiality, Mediality, and Objects at the heart of the Digital Humanities http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/06/01/digital-thingy-ness-putting-materiality-mediality-and-objects-at-the-heart-of-the-digital-humanities/ The Humanities and Technology Camp Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:56:30 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.12 By: Trevor http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/06/01/digital-thingy-ness-putting-materiality-mediality-and-objects-at-the-heart-of-the-digital-humanities/#comment-741 Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:49:46 +0000 http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/?p=286#comment-741 Thanks Shannon! I’m really looking forward to working through your syllabus. It strikes that there is so much going on in this area that would be really valuable to bring into more conversation with what is going on in the Digital Humanities. If there was interest, I could see topic making for an interesting special issue proposal for Digital Humanities Quarterly.

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By: Shannon Mattern http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/06/01/digital-thingy-ness-putting-materiality-mediality-and-objects-at-the-heart-of-the-digital-humanities/#comment-731 Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:23:11 +0000 http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/?p=286#comment-731 This sounds great, Trevor! And thanks for the props, Kimon! For the past few years I’ve been teaching a grad seminar on “Media & Materiality.” You might find some useful material on the syllabus — bit.ly/KZrjQd — including lots of supplemental resources below our weekly schedule.

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By: Susan http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/06/01/digital-thingy-ness-putting-materiality-mediality-and-objects-at-the-heart-of-the-digital-humanities/#comment-540 Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:29:23 +0000 http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/?p=286#comment-540 See this also, via Steve Lubar (@lubar on Twitter):

“Aliens to Armoires: Philosophical Carpentry”
www.wordsinspace.net/wordpress/2012/05/29/aliens-to-armoires-philosophical-carpentry/

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By: Susan http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/06/01/digital-thingy-ness-putting-materiality-mediality-and-objects-at-the-heart-of-the-digital-humanities/#comment-539 Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:53:00 +0000 http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/?p=286#comment-539 This response could have a title: “Surrogates are Objects Too”

One of my favorite exercises when starting a workshop about how to use digitized materials in teaching or research is to hand out copies of this or that library item, whatever content it is that is going to start our discussion, and then ask the group to describe what we’re looking at. Inevitably it’s a business card from 1850 or a 1930s photo which they figure out based on the clothing–but, inevitably, no one in the group describes the thing in her hand as an 8 1/2 x 11 inch piece of 20 lb white paper with an image printed on it. As a culture, we just skip that mediation step. So, it makes a great opening to stop and talk about the actual artifact–a piece of paper, a computer screen, whatever the thing in the room with us actually is–before we get to its representational content that’s our actual interest.

For those who haven’t seen it, take a look at Trevor’s recent post on the Library of Congress’ Digital Preservation Blog: “All Digital Objects are Born Digital Objects” at blogs.loc.gov/digitalpreservation/2012/05/all-digital-objects-are-born-digital-objects/. As I mentioned to Trevor when I read it, In libraries and museums I’d love to see us cataloging the surrogates we create–photograph, microfiche, digital scan, whatever–as if they are objects in their own right. By not doing that we perpetuate the idea that mediation is invisible and/or transparent and/or inconsequential when we all know much better the moment we stop to think about it. For scholarly DH projects I’d hope it was a given that we’d factor in the mediation, but sometimes its even less present than it was on a repository site.

So yes, there’s an important conversation to have here re. mediation, and thanks to Trevor for initiating it. I guess, for me, all culture and all cultural artifacts are mediated, whether or not they’re digital, so I just want to make sure we learn from the accumulated wisdom about non-digital objects as well.

Susan
@footnotesrising

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By: Kimon Keramidas http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/06/01/digital-thingy-ness-putting-materiality-mediality-and-objects-at-the-heart-of-the-digital-humanities/#comment-531 Thu, 14 Jun 2012 20:49:09 +0000 http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/?p=286#comment-531 This all sounds great. Being at a material culture institution I would echo Susan’s comments and say that before we dig into materiality of digital things we should make sure to understand the historiography of material culture, especially re: its relationship to art history historically and the way that different methodologies apply differently to the study of things/objects/materials/etc. There is also media archaeology to throw into the mix, which Shannon Mattern does great things with. I want to go crazy with bib stuff (Hayles, Gitelman, Miller, Lubar, etc.) but will refrain for the moment.

One last thing that comes to mind, and is evident in our faculty, is that material culture crosses over from humanities into social and even natural sciences (esp. anthropology and archaeology), so we should consider the breadth of the impact of those disciplines when considering objects as well.

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By: Trevor http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/06/01/digital-thingy-ness-putting-materiality-mediality-and-objects-at-the-heart-of-the-digital-humanities/#comment-492 Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:29:56 +0000 http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/?p=286#comment-492 Thanks Susan, looking forward to having you bring your material culture take into the mix!

I think there is likely loads of stuff from material culture that is on point for bringing into this conversation. What is really exciting about some of the new media studies stuff here is that it’s focus on mediality and materiality of digital objects opens a door to thinking about digital material culture. That is, digital objects are things on a range of levels (inscriptions on physical media, interactions between physical objects, bit level representations, source code, files in file systems, etc).

I am not necessarily pushing Object Oriented Ontology, just trying to stir the pot and see what kinds of studies of objects we might think about working to stitch together. I kicked off with my list, but I think we have already seen a great list in the comments of other areas and fields that have ways of studying the thingyness of things and I am excited to have a bit of a roving conversation that can keep using this discussion thread as a place to pull together and stitch some of these different thing focused study approaches together.

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By: Susan http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/06/01/digital-thingy-ness-putting-materiality-mediality-and-objects-at-the-heart-of-the-digital-humanities/#comment-461 Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:33:52 +0000 http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/?p=286#comment-461 if the digitization of things and stuff is going to lead to a new-found interest in the field of material culture study, then i’m all for it! i can offer reams of bibliography (see, for instance, mcc.footnotesrising.org/index.html, though admittedly out of date, geared to a different audience and far from comprehensive) but i wonder if there isn’t a basic conversation to be had here also. while i’m intrigued by object oriented ontology, for example, i’m more than a bit uneasy at the idea of using it as a *starting point* for understanding the material world–that really is putting the cart before the horse!

trevor, would you be up for a conversation about the potential importance of materiality and objects to the digital humanities and the ways in which that is or isn’t inter/cross-disciplinary (and which disciplines it touches upon or draws from)–and what people’s basic questions are–as well as a free-for-all bibliographic exercise? as someone who is as much (or more) a material culturalist as a digital humanist, i’d certainly benefit from a better understanding of what dh folks most need to learn from material culture, as well as what they tend to take away from their intellectual encounters with things, stuff, objects, artifacts (all of which mean something slightly different, btw) as well as from the scholarship they’ve encountered to date. i’m sure folks who are only now beginning to think about materiality would benefit from such a conversation as well.

(i’d hate to be perceived as sounding like i’m defending turf or attempting to pull rank–yeah, people do get phds in this stuff & the winterthur program is 60 years old this year– but on the other hand, i’d hate to see dhers try and reinvent the wheel rather than hack it to greater perfection.)

susan
@footnotesrising

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By: Thomas Padilla http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/06/01/digital-thingy-ness-putting-materiality-mediality-and-objects-at-the-heart-of-the-digital-humanities/#comment-312 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:17:35 +0000 http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/?p=286#comment-312 Iconicity/Indexicality: a view on objects from archaeology. Consideration of the different “registers of objecthood” within human and nonhuman networks.

Knappett, Carl. Thinking Through Material Culture: An Interdisciplinary Perspective. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press. 2005.

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By: Trevor http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/06/01/digital-thingy-ness-putting-materiality-mediality-and-objects-at-the-heart-of-the-digital-humanities/#comment-276 Fri, 08 Jun 2012 00:12:45 +0000 http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/?p=286#comment-276 Great ideas so far: I had a few more things that I think are exemplars from some other fields that came to mind.

James Scott’s Seeing Like a State: How Certain Schemes to Improve the Human Condition Have Failed: It’s a great exercise in asking how a state “sees”.

Cronon’s Nature’s Metropolis: Chicago and the Great West remains such a touch stone and Latour defines it as compatible with Actor Network Theory

Bushman’s The Refinement of America: Persons, Houses, Cities has a lot of focus on objects.

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By: little bit’a coding, little bit’a conversation | THATCamp CHNM 2012 http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/06/01/digital-thingy-ness-putting-materiality-mediality-and-objects-at-the-heart-of-the-digital-humanities/#comment-275 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 23:38:30 +0000 http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/?p=286#comment-275 […] the conversation front, and piggy-backing on some of the ideas in Trevor’s proposal, I’m interested in the way that digital work and objects of study can open new paths to […]

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By: Suzanne Fischer http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/06/01/digital-thingy-ness-putting-materiality-mediality-and-objects-at-the-heart-of-the-digital-humanities/#comment-261 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:25:23 +0000 http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/?p=286#comment-261 I will brainstorm some good matcult and museum studies additions to this!

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By: Kimon Keramidas http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/06/01/digital-thingy-ness-putting-materiality-mediality-and-objects-at-the-heart-of-the-digital-humanities/#comment-230 Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:08:24 +0000 http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/?p=286#comment-230 This is great Trevor. I am doing a class this fall that deals with these questions from late 19th c. on and covers a larger historical arc. Also planning a gallery show on interface design for a couple of years from now. This session sounds great door both projects. Look forward to talking about all this and more. Will try to add sources later.

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By: Roger Whitson http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/06/01/digital-thingy-ness-putting-materiality-mediality-and-objects-at-the-heart-of-the-digital-humanities/#comment-223 Sun, 03 Jun 2012 00:21:32 +0000 http://chnm2012.thatcamp.org/?p=286#comment-223 Wendy Chun’s new book is good on Software Studies. Under OOO, I’d add Ian’s Alien Phenomenology, Levi Bryant’s Democracy of Objects. And I think a platform studies book on the Wii came out recently, right?

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